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		<title>By: Adam G</title>
		<link>http://cityoftongues.com/2009/06/04/literary-bloodsport/#comment-432</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, what an interesting thread.

I once reviewed a Louis Nowra play (was it &#039;Summer of the Aliens&#039;?) and if memory serves said he often &quot;writes with a brick dipped in ink&quot;. I don&#039;t rescind that after reading his article, although it seems the brick is now covered in Bob Ellis&#039; blood. And matted, disheveled, 70-year old hair.

The thing that is most interesting from my current (Caifornian) point of view is how little the rest of the world cares about either of them. So squabble on, lads.

Jonathan Franzen, on the other hand, is a lion; &#039;The Corrections&#039; is genius. And if you disagree, I&#039;ll hit you with a brick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, what an interesting thread.</p>
<p>I once reviewed a Louis Nowra play (was it &#8216;Summer of the Aliens&#8217;?) and if memory serves said he often &#8220;writes with a brick dipped in ink&#8221;. I don&#8217;t rescind that after reading his article, although it seems the brick is now covered in Bob Ellis&#8217; blood. And matted, disheveled, 70-year old hair.</p>
<p>The thing that is most interesting from my current (Caifornian) point of view is how little the rest of the world cares about either of them. So squabble on, lads.</p>
<p>Jonathan Franzen, on the other hand, is a lion; &#8216;The Corrections&#8217; is genius. And if you disagree, I&#8217;ll hit you with a brick.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Rice</title>
		<link>http://cityoftongues.com/2009/06/04/literary-bloodsport/#comment-426</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I googled &quot;Dale Peck&quot; after reading your second Literary bloodsport post and read this NY Times article:

The Takedown Artist
By James Atlas
Published: Sunday, October 26, 2003
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/26/magazine/the-takedown-artist.html

The article mentions Wolcott:

&quot;[Peck&#039;s] angry tone fit the tone of the New Republic&#039;s back pages, from which the leonine-maned Wieseltier presides over a stable of famously hotheaded critics. Every few months he&#039;ll let one go for the jugular: Wood on Don DeLillo, Helen Vendler on David Denby, James Wolcott on Jonathan Franzen.&quot;  

And, not liking The Corrections, I googled for the review, found at Powell&#039;s Books online:

http://www.powells.com/review/2002_11_28.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I googled &#8220;Dale Peck&#8221; after reading your second Literary bloodsport post and read this NY Times article:</p>
<p>The Takedown Artist<br />
By James Atlas<br />
Published: Sunday, October 26, 2003<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/26/magazine/the-takedown-artist.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/26/magazine/the-takedown-artist.html</a></p>
<p>The article mentions Wolcott:</p>
<p>&#8220;[Peck's] angry tone fit the tone of the New Republic&#8217;s back pages, from which the leonine-maned Wieseltier presides over a stable of famously hotheaded critics. Every few months he&#8217;ll let one go for the jugular: Wood on Don DeLillo, Helen Vendler on David Denby, James Wolcott on Jonathan Franzen.&#8221;  </p>
<p>And, not liking The Corrections, I googled for the review, found at Powell&#8217;s Books online:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.powells.com/review/2002_11_28.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.powells.com/review/2002_11_28.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Rice</title>
		<link>http://cityoftongues.com/2009/06/04/literary-bloodsport/#comment-425</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy Rice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the Wolcott review, reproduced on Powell&#039;s Books:
http://www.powells.com/review/2002_11_28.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the Wolcott review, reproduced on Powell&#8217;s Books:<br />
<a href="http://www.powells.com/review/2002_11_28.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.powells.com/review/2002_11_28.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: James Bradley</title>
		<link>http://cityoftongues.com/2009/06/04/literary-bloodsport/#comment-424</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Bradley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They&#039;re all good questions. And I know Wolcott&#039;s work, but I can&#039;t seem to track down the review of Franzen&#039;s memoir (a book I also thought deeply problematic (though I remain an admirer of The Corrections and Franzen&#039;s non-fiction in general) you mention (the TNR site keeps telling me it&#039;s not there). Do you have a link to it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re all good questions. And I know Wolcott&#8217;s work, but I can&#8217;t seem to track down the review of Franzen&#8217;s memoir (a book I also thought deeply problematic (though I remain an admirer of The Corrections and Franzen&#8217;s non-fiction in general) you mention (the TNR site keeps telling me it&#8217;s not there). Do you have a link to it?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Rice</title>
		<link>http://cityoftongues.com/2009/06/04/literary-bloodsport/#comment-411</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy Rice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Links led me from your blog to James Wolcott&#039;s &#039;hatchet job&#039; in The New Republic on Jonathon Franzen&#039;s book of essays. I admit I didn&#039;t enjoy The Corrections at all and resented its success so I was looking forward to Wolcott&#039;s venom. And Wolcott&#039;s piece is much better than Nowra&#039;s - it&#039;s an extremely detailed analysis of what Franzen has written. Nowra&#039;s review, except for the poetry, is all assertion. Also, Wolcott places Franzen&#039;s work in context. He explains a bit about why it has been so successful. The interesting point about Ellis, the one Nowra should have but fails to address, is why he has a public profile? Why do his books keep getting published, why is he invited onto Q&amp;A?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Links led me from your blog to James Wolcott&#8217;s &#8216;hatchet job&#8217; in The New Republic on Jonathon Franzen&#8217;s book of essays. I admit I didn&#8217;t enjoy The Corrections at all and resented its success so I was looking forward to Wolcott&#8217;s venom. And Wolcott&#8217;s piece is much better than Nowra&#8217;s &#8211; it&#8217;s an extremely detailed analysis of what Franzen has written. Nowra&#8217;s review, except for the poetry, is all assertion. Also, Wolcott places Franzen&#8217;s work in context. He explains a bit about why it has been so successful. The interesting point about Ellis, the one Nowra should have but fails to address, is why he has a public profile? Why do his books keep getting published, why is he invited onto Q&amp;A?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan S</title>
		<link>http://cityoftongues.com/2009/06/04/literary-bloodsport/#comment-402</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Its hardly news to point out that Ellis is a buffoon. That is the whole persona.&quot;
Indeed! I don&#039;t understand Louis Nowra&#039;s motivation here. It feels personal -- clearly not the young writer fighting to make room for himself, then what? Spite?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Its hardly news to point out that Ellis is a buffoon. That is the whole persona.&#8221;<br />
Indeed! I don&#8217;t understand Louis Nowra&#8217;s motivation here. It feels personal &#8212; clearly not the young writer fighting to make room for himself, then what? Spite?</p>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
		<link>http://cityoftongues.com/2009/06/04/literary-bloodsport/#comment-395</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pavlov's Cat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But this for some is Ellis’ unforgivable crime: he is a writer of and about political culture.&quot;

To me at least, Ken, that is actually his main redeeming feature.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But this for some is Ellis’ unforgivable crime: he is a writer of and about political culture.&#8221;</p>
<p>To me at least, Ken, that is actually his main redeeming feature.</p>
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		<title>By: McKenzie Wark</title>
		<link>http://cityoftongues.com/2009/06/04/literary-bloodsport/#comment-393</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[McKenzie Wark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its an unpleasant review, one that makes me revise my opinion, not of Ellis, but of Nowra. 

Its hardly news to point out that Ellis is a buffoon. That is is whole persona. His best character is always himself, a sort of provincial Ubu Roi, casting about hopelessly, ingesting the world. 

Its true, as Pavlov&#039;s Cat says, that he is a figure from another time, and i was one of those teenagers who read him, and about him, in Nation Review. It all seems rather dated now, but given what became of Australian political culture, maybe not such a bad time after all.

But this for some is Ellis&#039; unforgivable crime: he is a writer of and about political culture. He is a constant reminder that Australia only ever had one great political culture -- that of the Australian Labor Party. 

For all his flaws -- flaws Ellis himself constantly magnifies like a broken beer bottle -- Ellis evokes a whole ethos. Its something no Tory writer has ever succeeded in doing in Australia. 

Having failed to understand what Ellis has actually achieved, one concludes reluctantly that Nowra has failed to mark the passage of his own achievement as a writer relative to it. Its a missed opportunity for a writer to understand something of himself relative to someone so palpably different. He cut Ellis down to size by making himself smaller still.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its an unpleasant review, one that makes me revise my opinion, not of Ellis, but of Nowra. </p>
<p>Its hardly news to point out that Ellis is a buffoon. That is is whole persona. His best character is always himself, a sort of provincial Ubu Roi, casting about hopelessly, ingesting the world. </p>
<p>Its true, as Pavlov&#8217;s Cat says, that he is a figure from another time, and i was one of those teenagers who read him, and about him, in Nation Review. It all seems rather dated now, but given what became of Australian political culture, maybe not such a bad time after all.</p>
<p>But this for some is Ellis&#8217; unforgivable crime: he is a writer of and about political culture. He is a constant reminder that Australia only ever had one great political culture &#8212; that of the Australian Labor Party. </p>
<p>For all his flaws &#8212; flaws Ellis himself constantly magnifies like a broken beer bottle &#8212; Ellis evokes a whole ethos. Its something no Tory writer has ever succeeded in doing in Australia. </p>
<p>Having failed to understand what Ellis has actually achieved, one concludes reluctantly that Nowra has failed to mark the passage of his own achievement as a writer relative to it. Its a missed opportunity for a writer to understand something of himself relative to someone so palpably different. He cut Ellis down to size by making himself smaller still.</p>
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		<title>By: James Bradley</title>
		<link>http://cityoftongues.com/2009/06/04/literary-bloodsport/#comment-382</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Bradley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephen Romei has posted a long response to Louis Nowra&#039;s review by Bob Ellis on the ALR website which declares, amongst other things, that he would never sue Nowra. For those who want to read it, it&#039;s at http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25542115-25132,00.html#end]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Romei has posted a long response to Louis Nowra&#8217;s review by Bob Ellis on the ALR website which declares, amongst other things, that he would never sue Nowra. For those who want to read it, it&#8217;s at <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25542115-25132,00.html#end" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25542115-25132,00.html#end</a></p>
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		<title>By: James Bradley</title>
		<link>http://cityoftongues.com/2009/06/04/literary-bloodsport/#comment-379</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Bradley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 04:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For someone who&#039;s claiming to be sick, but has produced two posts of their own and a comment here, you&#039;re not doing badly, Kerryn.

But I&#039;m interested by what you say about people talking about Ellis in the 1970s as if it was yesterday. I&#039;ve always been aware of the way the people who were close to Patrick White speak about him as if he&#039;d just stepped out of the room, and always, always refer to him as &quot;Patrick&quot;, as if he were someone not just alive, but who you both know well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For someone who&#8217;s claiming to be sick, but has produced two posts of their own and a comment here, you&#8217;re not doing badly, Kerryn.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m interested by what you say about people talking about Ellis in the 1970s as if it was yesterday. I&#8217;ve always been aware of the way the people who were close to Patrick White speak about him as if he&#8217;d just stepped out of the room, and always, always refer to him as &#8220;Patrick&#8221;, as if he were someone not just alive, but who you both know well.</p>
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